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Welfare=infantilism in people and church…..7 june 09

I cheat a bit on my Blog.

I find myself so engrossed in other blogs and adding comments that I don’t spend sufficient time posting here. However there are some excellent debates going on out there. I get inspired by the questions being addressed and this leads me to cut and paste what I have written as comment elsewhere. This post is one such  example pasted from a comment I put on Larrywho’s blog yesterday.

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When the final true revival comes, it will be because congregations have realised they have been robbed, robbed of what God ordained them to be. They will realise that they have been robbed of their personal Holy Priesthood by the men and women in robes or dog collars which they asked to stand at the front. Robbed by those who tradition alone calls priests or ministers, and who have orchestrated the church’s walk for over a thousand years.

When that same pew fodder finally gets out and puts Elijah’s mantle on and enters the battle, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE CAPTAIN OF THE HOST OF THE LORD ALONE, rather than another man, then we might see some butts kicked, (spiritually speaking I mean). As Larry rightly says, Luther changed the doctrine but not the wineskin. Until the wineskin of church structure bursts, the saints will always be labouring under a burden of manmade leadership ideology, an ideology that didn’t originate in God.

I feel sad for America. King Obama is on the throne now. His clear and declared intention is to do in one presidency, what has taken sixty years to achieve in the UK. ie destroy a nation by deception and the infantilising of its people. The “Land of the Free” becomes the Land of the Feeble, like Britain, everyone kept in the spiritual, social, financial play pen so they don’t get hurt.

The promise of the Labour government which came into power in the UK after the war was that their new “Welfare State” would take care of everyone from the cradle to the grave. ie the state would become Mummy, Daddy, Nanny, Nurse, God etc. (or pastor priest vicar etc)

The UK is now in a state of acute moral degeneration. Socialism is the biggest vote purchasing scheme imaginable. Keep throwing money at the lazy and undeserving and they cease to be productive or responsible. The constant cry in the UK is, “why doesn’t the Government do something”. The idea of anyone personally doing anything, through a simple sense of mature responsibility has long gone from most of this nation. In fact most such actions are now illegal!

My prayer for a long time has been for the massive collapse of our Welfare State. (I am hoping that we may just be seeing the first shoots of that disintegration. Only time will tell.)

There is a distinct connection between strong Church leadership which makes decisions on our behalf, and strong state leadership which also makes all decisions on our behalf. It is called “Abdication”, it is an “Ahab” spirit, a spirit of immaturity which refuses to take responsibility for personal decisions and risks.

It is evident in the Israelites when they demanded a king to rule over them. God said that it was rebellion against his personal reign over them. However they insisted, despite Gods most stern warning. God said that when the king that they choose becomes a tyrant, “don’t come to me about it as I won’t listen to you”. Likewise I don’t think he listens to those who protest about tyrannical church leadership. “You chose that system, don’t complain to me!” Its like expecting a crocodile not to eat people! (The very reason I exited the church system)

The Saints have adopted the same spirit in demanding “strong leadership” to make the decisions for them instead of getting before God and learning to hear His voice and do His will.

The voters have demonstrated the same heart as the church in demanding a “Big State” to rule over them and take the decisions for them. The two are very connected, the same demonic power is very clearly at work. Its purpose in both cases is to create a passive people. To quote Larry,- “Three corporate church and personal sins we all struggle with are apathy, lethargy and compromise.”


The saints, vast numbers of which voted for social welfare both in the UK and the States, MUST take personal responsibility for their walk before God, instead of letting their Pastor or minister carry it on their behalf.

I believe that God is challenging the Saints to come out into the wilderness, away from the safety of their cozy congregations.

I believe he is challenging the Saints to take risks in their walk without the safe “covering” of church leadership.

I believe Christ is saying, as he did to Peter when he was in the middle of the Sea of Galilee, “come”.

It is time for the Saints to get out of their manmade boat, the church, and walk over the water with Jesus.

Come and discover the “Covering” of Christ himself rather than another man. Then we will experience Revival. There will be mistakes on the way, but those who don’t make mistakes usually don’t make anything.


June 7, 2009 - Posted by | Uncategorized

1 Comment »

  1. Yes, so well said. The perpetual dependency and spiritual entitlement of institutionalized forms of church are very connected to the progressive or liberal forms of government which see’s all solutions, hope, and progress in government systems. Sadly so many Christian leaders here are getting sucked in to it all because they go the line of “Jesus would want health care provided for everyone”. It is available for everyone before Obama Care, but they wine about it not being what they want it to be even though not paying anything for it.

    Comment by Tim | November 2, 2010

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