Francis Drake, Privateer

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First Verse of the New Testament

I often ask people to quote the first verse of the New Covenant (Testament).

Go on, before reading further put your answer on your lips.

The answer is quite easy really.-

Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. etc

Only its not really quite that easy.

Quite rightly, Matthew is the first book of the collected writings of the New Testament apostles.

Now turn to Mat 26:28

For this is My blood of the NEW COVENANT, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

ie Matthew26v28 is really the first verse of the New Covenant

So What?

If the above perception agrees with you it, would be interesting to examine the repercussions.

If the NEW COVENANT OF JESUS’S BLOOD was not proclaimed until Matt26 then all that Jesus said and did before that specific time was clearly OLD TESTAMENT. Think about it.

The Gospel stories are NOT NEW TESTAMENT!

The Gospel stories are OLD TESTAMENT

This means that the comprehension of the parables, for instance, were meant to be available to the Jews, right now, right there and right then. What ever Jesus was saying was not aimed first at Christians.

So what?

Take just one parable as a starter.

Luk 11:11
For what father of you, if the son asks for bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a snake for a fish?
 
 

 

Luk 11:12
Or if he shall ask for an egg, will he give him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?
 

 

 

This might not seem significant but if you put this parable alongside the belief that the Holy Spirit didn’t come until Pentecost, and then only for Christians. Jesus, on the contrary, is saying that any of his hearers sat at his feet who asks could have it. Any of the Jews or gentiles listening, before pentacost, could have had it.

Before anyone says that Jesus was perhaps only refering to the new birth, not so, He says “For what FATHER of you, if the SON asks for bread…” ie the child is already of his father when he asks.
This indicates that the Holy Spirit was available anywhere to anyone who asked, long before the death and resurrection of Jesus  as it became understood.  (Don’t forget that nobody comprehended the gospel until long after the resurrection).  
Jews (and non Jews), at the time that He was speaking and long before, who were open and desiring anointing from above would receive what they asked for.

There is a lot more to think about, not only on this verse but also on many of the other teachings of Jesus which we have always taken as New Testament and “Christian” when they were in fact Old Testament and “Jewish”.

Are the NEW TESTAMENT gospels actually OLD TESTAMENT? I would love to hear some comments on this. What other thoughts on the Gospels does this lead to?

 

 

 

 

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January 14, 2009 - Posted by | Bible, CHURCH, Gospel, Kingdom life, Uncategorized

15 Comments »

  1. It certainly puts a new perspective on the gospels when you look at them as being old testament! I will have to read them all again now…

    Comment by Elaine | January 23, 2009

  2. Some interesting stuff. And when you consider that John the Baptist was the last mentioned OT prophet, but also was filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb, it makes you scratch your head, right?

    Comment by Larry Who | January 23, 2009

  3. Upon thinking about this, I have concluded that the ministry of Jesus throughout the gospels was the ending of the OT and the beginning of the NT, all wrapped into one package.

    He fulfilled the Law and the Prophets at the cross without breaking one of the laws or sinning. An impossible task for anyone except Jesus.

    And He brought forth grace and truth – and – the message of the gospel of the kingdom.

    Jesus removed the shadows covering the OT scriptures by being the substance of the NT.

    Comment by Larry Who | January 24, 2009

  4. I’ve never thought of it quite like that…but I do think that up to the time of Jesus crucifixion, everyone was under the old covenant, and the Gospels are written with the speech they used at that time, and compared to the covenant they were under.

    I always thought that the the New Testament was called that as the beginning of God’s redemption plan unfolding, his promises being fullfilled. I may be off in this..

    love you blog!

    Comment by darla | January 26, 2009

  5. Hi Darla
    Thanks for your attention to my perusings.
    I have only touched the surface on the issue of the Gospels being Old Covenant. In the mean time, consider these verses.–

    John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb and be born?
    Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    Joh 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again.
    Joh 3:8 The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

    Jesus was not inventing some new doctrine when he said this to Nicodemus, he was just stating fact.
    However it would be another three and a half years before anyone could confess the death and resurrection of Jesus as the remission of sin, and new life.
    In John 3. Jesus was addressing an Old Covenant Pharisee about an Old Covenant truth.
    All the Old Covenant saints had to be born again, (born from above) otherwise they would not have been sons of the Father above.

    If you think on any more please come back.

    Comment by francisdrakeprivateer | January 28, 2009

  6. Yeah, I think that it is well taught in most bible colleges that the synoptic gosples and john were written prior to the actual “New Covenant”

    Even Jesus refers to John as the greatest in the “pre” new covenant period, but that even the least of those who partook/will partake of the Holy Spirit baptism are greater than John.

    (oh, and you didn’t vote on the poll)
    (i am assuming your vote is no)

    Comment by chrismccarley | February 9, 2009

  7. If you believe, as I do, that people are dead in thier sins and in need of the regenerative work of the Holy Spirit to give them life and if you believe, as I do, in the security of the believer and the work of the Holy Spirit in sealing them until the day of redemption, then you must believe that the Holy Spirit had some kind of continual presence with the Old Testament believer. Otherwise, you must believe that Old Testament believers were in some way able to save themselves and keep themselves saved in a way that those since Pentacost cannot.

    A good book on this topic is “The Holy Spirit in the Old Testament” by Leon Wood. It is out of print now, but can be found used online. It promotes a view that I share, which holds that the Holy Spirit has always indwelt believers. The unique pouring out of the Spirit at Pentacost was different in that it empowered believers for the ministry of the Church through Spiritual gifts in a way that the pouring out of the Spirit had never done before. Pentacost is primarily concerned with the birth of the Church and the gifting of its members for ministry, not the indwelling of the Spirit.

    Comment by Tim Farley | February 15, 2009

  8. I shake your hand Tim.
    (People often want to shake me by the neck)
    Thanks for your comment. I agree wholeheartedly. If you have any other thoughts on this issue please come back
    I guess we could explore this issue for a long time.

    “I am the Lord I change not”, was always Jesus. -In the beginning was the word.

    For many believers it seems that there are different Gods of totally different characters for different dispensations and totally different methods of salvation.

    “Behold I stand at the door and knock” is the same God at work since genesis. The Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth did it all.

    Comment by Francis | February 15, 2009

  9. Tim.

    We too often forget that the elect are those whose human spirit has been renewed by the Spirit of God, not those who we think have “prayed the prayer”.

    1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    How can we expect a none regenerate man to truly comprehend the church’s preaching of the death of Jesus, UNTIL HE HAS FIRST BEEN BORN AGAIN BY THE SPIRIT.
    The Gospel is foolishness to the unbeliever.

    The Spirit within man, once renewed,is what spiritually discerns the Gospel.

    Whatever understanding a man has prior to perceiving and responding to the Holy Spirit’s whisper, it has no influence on the following FACT.-
    Jesus died and paid with His blood for that man’s life.
    This FACT is true whether the man knows it or not, and in whatever religion or none!

    The Gospel that Jesus preached was about the Kingdom of Heaven being at hand. ie. Not when we die. The purpose of the Gospel was that man, under the power of the Holy Spirit, should live victoriously in Christ whilst on earth. Not just get a ticket to eternity.

    Comment by francisdrakeprivateer | February 16, 2009

  10. True. I agree that a person must be regenerate to truly comprehend the gospel and respond appropriately. I believe regeneration must happen first (or at least simultaneous), before any true repentance and turning to Christ can take place (the Calvinist in me is coming out! :)). This would make it independent of any “praying the prayer.”

    I also agree that the gospel is true whether one regards it as true or not.

    I also agree that Christians should live victoriously in Christ while on earth and not just wait until the eternal state. However, I do believe that Jesus’ teaching and the teaching of Scripture also had the eternal state in mind when describing the blessings of the Kingdom. In fact, we are told that until the Kingdom comes in its fullness, Christians can expect to face persecution and struggles in this life just as their Lord faced. The blessings that are promised to believers as part of the Kingdom will only be fully realized in the eternal state. So at least part of the Kingdom is future. Or do you believe all of the Kingdom promises and blessings belong to the believer now?

    Comment by Tim Farley | February 16, 2009

  11. Tim
    “Or do you believe all of the Kingdom promises and blessings belong to the believer now?”
    The answer to that would have to be taken one at a time I guess. Some promises refer to one or the other some to both.

    I have a feeling that you are misunderstanding my purpose in challenging the status quo.
    I am not challenging the concept of a future glorious kingdom, (which I think is where you’re coming from?).
    I am saying that proclaiming eternal life in this future kingdom was NOT the stated purpose of the Gospel.

    Jesus, and the disciples, preached and demonstrated the FACT of the PRESENT BUT HIDDEN glorious kingdom, and that people could by faith LIVE FROM THAT KINGDOM.

    Look at this.
    If the church is confronted by someone desiring eternal life, it would never do what Jesus did.
    Mar 10:17 And when He had gone out into the way, one came running up and kneeled to Him, and asked Him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?

    Here is a man begging for the evangelist.

    But Jesus gives him a whole load of stuff about obeying the Law, and then tells him to give all his money away! That’s outrageous! Talk about salvation by works.

    Any Pastor would be very speedily out of a job for such behaviour. Jesus displayed NO concern for this man’s eternal state! That is not how today’s church works.

    Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, How hardly those having riches will enter into the kingdom of God!

    So we have to pay to get to heaven do we? Or only rich people pay. (phew, I’m ok then)

    The man was talking about eternity, Jesus was talking about the Kingdom today. Love of money would certainly control our taking hold of the kingdom, because you can’t serve two masters.

    Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until
    now the kingdom of Heaven is taken by violence, and the violent take it by force. (Not money)
    This is clearly talking about a today kingdom not some other time kingdom

    Mat 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then has the kingdom of God come upon you.

    Doing the works of His Father brought the Father’s kingdom into play. If we likewise cast out demons by the spirit of God TODAY then the Kingdom of God reigns TODAY in that situation, not when we die.
    If we heal by the spirit today then that kingdom reigns today over the recipient.

    If I was to put a motivation behind the sort of things I post or comment, it is as follows.
    The Great Commission, as the obsession of the church is a massive fraud.
    Although church after church create campaign after campaign, they are totally misrepresenting the objectives that Jesus clearly spelt out.
    Jesus never, never, never, aimed his preaching at heaven when you’re dead! yet this is the very reason for the existence of most churches

    Comment by francisdrakeprivateer | February 17, 2009

  12. “Some promises refer to one or the other some to both.” Agreed. I think we may be closer to agreement than we originally thought after reading your last response.

    I do believe that the Great Commission is the primary purpose of the Church (to proclaim the Good News), however I do think the Church has lost the message. The Good News is not primarily an invitation to another life where all things are good. It is a proclamation that Jesus is Lord and an invitation to come into His kingdom and live under His Lordship today and for eternity.

    If the Good News is represented as “say a prayer and get into heaven” then it is misrepresenting the Word of God and what the message of the gospel truly is. We are called to come into the kingdom now, live under the ethics of the kingdom now, and proclaim the Lordship of Jesus now. Those who pray a prayer and do not live lives that reflect kingdom ethics are not truly of the kingdom.

    The message is not solely about the future, but it is about something that begins now and has eternal consequences.

    Comment by Tim Farley | February 17, 2009

  13. Tim,
    Brilliant, thanks for a thoroughly invigorating discussion.
    Iron sharpens iron!
    Another question for you.

    What do you mean by “ethics” of the Kingdom? I ask this because I believe that we need to go a whole lot further than this.

    Isn’t following ethics tantamount to following Law. The problem with this is that none believers can learn following Law just as well as believers, ie. it doesn’t take faith.

    I believe that the higher and correct way of kingdom living, is not law but being led by the spirit

    Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, It is written, “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.”

    Contrary to common thinking, this bread is not a daily bible reading.
    “Word” is the Greek “rhema” which is usually taken to be a more direct and personal call from God.

    A Christian is surely one who follows the anointing, not follows plain ethics.

    Comment by francisdrakeprivateer | February 18, 2009

  14. What do I mean by “ethics of the kingdom?” That’s a fair question. What I mean by that is those who are truly of the kingdom (those born again or who are of the Spirit), should have lives that reflect the work of the Spirit within them. They should “bear fruit” of their having been made new through the Spirit. If their lives are not changed, then the Spirit is not present and there is no new birth.

    One who has been given new life in the Spirit will be one who lives according to the teachings of Christ: “Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself.” This is not accomplished by our own ability, but through the Spirit at work within us. Also, we do not do this perfectly because we are still battling with a sinful nature within. We look forward to the day, as does all of creation, when we will be freed from the curse of sin completely and forever. The process has begun. It will be completed in God’s timing at the end of the age.

    Comment by Tim Farley | February 18, 2009

  15. Just a note to let you know that I am enjoying reading your discussion, Francis D and Tim. 🙂 Keep it up, the truths you are sharing are encouraging to us all. Thank you.

    Comment by fivepeasinapod | February 19, 2009


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